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- by Lunar at 1:30 PM EDT on August 20, 2007
- NSFPlug and NotSo have some nifty features that NEZPlug doesn't. One of those is channel muting, which I'd rate as a make-or-break deal. Others include keyboard view, listing of what expansion chips are being used at a time (I didn't realise nezplug even supported expansion sound), stereo controls... notsofatso has good pop reduction too. They seem to be well developed on the whole... nezplug seems quite featureless and empty, though I'll give it another try with some particularly demanding NSFs and see how it copes.
Another thing that confuses me is that ugetab worked on nezplug recently... yet he's not the author. So what happens when the author updates it? There isn't just one place to look for new versions - again, it's all over the place. Plus I had to install some extra bit of software in order to use ugetab's update... not particularly enduser-oriented. "0.9.4.8 + 2 + 5" is whacked-out version number.
And I still think a databased NSF site would make it 10x better+more fun! Akumu is THE place for NSF files I think. It just has to be recognised as such by everyone, so people just send their rips there instead of (or as well as) starting their own sites :P.
I really think NES soundtracks deserve something as unified, comprehensive and awesome as snesmusic.org. Then again, I'm probably seeming like a real armchair critic anyway. Just idealising ;).
- by ugetab at 1:48 PM EDT on August 20, 2007
- I just mirror the files, and provide instructions on what needs to be installed to make the plugin work. I only use NEZPlug for it's GBS support, as that's what's been improved enough to warrant grabbing runtime files.
Official Homepage:
http://offgao.no-ip.org/program/nezplug++.html
0.9.4.8 was the official version
0.9.4.8 + 2 was a modified version from someone else.
0.9.4.8 + 2 + 5 is the 5th version of the modified version that yet another grabbed and started working on.
You have to remember that the author is japanese, and may have different standards than an american.
Additionally:
If you're worried about checking sites for updates, give me a list of sites(and what you want to track), and I'll set you up with a program I've got that does the checking for you. If you want it, and you're running Vista, it'll take a few extra steps.
edited 1:57 PM EDT August 20, 2007
- by Lunar at 2:24 PM EDT on August 20, 2007
- I just tried nezplug out. It worked better than I thought I would. VRC7 isn't great, and the overall sound isn't as pleasant as other plugins... but still, not bad. It froze on one of the famicompo tracks though. I don't think I'd switch to it for NSF playback until it can do the stuff I find useful in other players. M3U playlists is very useful though... shame.
So what happens to those updated versions when the author updates it? Surely whatever progress they just made would be nullified by the next official release?
I realise it's japanese, though I don't think the author's nationality should make much difference. If anything, japanese people have higher standards in many respects! And besides, NSFPlug is also japanese isn't it?
Checking the sites isn't a real problem, it's just not ideal/an inconvenience. Some have the same soundtracks, but different versions... some have some sets some have other sets... etc. It can get confusing. I've already said far more than I wanted to about this anyway. I'll just sit and be hopeful instead!
EDIT: turns out NSFPlug DOES support m3u playlists. From the site - "Supports playlist file compatible with NEZplug (only for Winamp)."
Rock on?
edited 2:44 PM EDT August 20, 2007
- by ugetab at 3:03 PM EDT on August 20, 2007
- http://nezplug.sourceforge.net/
Let's see...
It's been about 4 years since the last official NEZPlug update. In that time, the source code has been available. If by some chance there's another update, the changes could probably be incorporated into it by finding other people's updates, and working forward from there. Otherwise, the official version differences could be incorporated into the offshoots if they are less significant in size than the offshoot differences.
- by Lunar at 4:26 PM EDT on August 20, 2007
- Ahh fair enough. If it hasn't been worked on in 4 years, there's probably no issue.
- by marioman at 5:34 PM EDT on August 20, 2007
- VRC7 isn't great, and the overall sound isn't as pleasant as other plugins
Funny...I feel the opposite. When compared to the actual output of the system, I think that NEZplug is more accurate than the others. Also, if I remember correctly, the VRC7 is one of the most accurate there is. (As UF has pointed out, the VRC7 in Notsofatso is absolutely inaccurate.)
Additionally, as ugetab pointed out earlier, it plays GBS files better than any other program available. (Not to mention the M3U support.)
Yes it is just preference, but this is why I use NEZPlug as opposed to the others.
- by Mouser X at 7:54 PM EDT on August 20, 2007
- I use Notso for NSFs and NSFe files. Mostly for convenience, since I find it to be nusance to switch plugins. As for NSFe support, it is supported in foobar2k, and GME (Game Music Emu). Personaly, I see nothing wrong with the NSFe format, and would like to see it implented in more players.
As for the custom M3U files, they're not bad either, but I wouldn't mind seeing a better editor for them. I find that, for me at least, it takes extra effort to keep track of all the commas, entries, and whatnot.
Also, custom M3U can't be used in Rockbox. When HCS made NSF support for Rockbox, he ported NotsoFatso. Thus, Rockbox also supports NSFe files. If my understanding is correct, it'd be difficult to implement custom M3U support into Rockbox, due to the way Rockbox handles playlists. Now, I'm not a Rockbox programmer, so I'm not sure if this is the case or not. If it is difficult to implement custom M3U support into Rockbox, then perhaps a reasonable solution would be a PC program that could input a custom M3U, and output a NSFe file, and vice-versa.
As for VRC7 support in Notso, I've heard UF's comparisons, and it is very very poor. However, due to the small number of NSFs that use the VRC7, I don't consider it a major concern (in regards to Rockbox in that area, HCS removed VRC7 support, since it took too much CPU for the average portable player to run it).
Hopefully I've adequately and correctly stated my opinion. Unfortunatly, my PC is unuseable right now (power supply failed), so I ended up writing this using the Wii's browser. As such, I'm having difficulty proof-reading this, since the text entry on the Wii is limited to 2 short lines.
Anyway, maybe someone (ugetab? :) ) could be nice enough to create a custom M3U <-> NSFe converter. If that existed, then you wouldn't need to worry about which format to support. There are some entries in the M3U files that are not present in NSFe files, and possibly vice-versa. Wii text buffer = full. Mouser X ou
- by unknownfile at 8:06 PM EDT on August 20, 2007
- Listening to NEZplug VRC7 output. The readme file gives credit to Okazaki so this is apparently an earlier version of the library. Ironically Lagrange Point track 10 is very accurate (the bass has a "pluck" sound whereas the newer versions do not have this effect).
I am currently building a test board for the VRC7, but I can't do much work as I am headed to the Netherlands tomorrow. When it is complete (if ever), I will try recording its output.
For more crap about the VRC7, read this (includes pretty pictures).
- by marioman at 9:26 PM EDT on August 20, 2007
- then perhaps a reasonable solution would be a PC program that could input a custom M3U, and output a NSFe file, and vice-versa.
I just had that thought after I posted my last message. M3U end of things would be easy, but I am not sure how easy reading the NSFe tags would be. Nonetheless, it would be a greatly helpful tool.
edited 9:26 PM EDT August 20, 2007
- NotSo Fatso by Richter X at 12:44 AM EDT on August 21, 2007
- The new VRC7 in NotSo Fatso is great, but could someone add bandlimited synthesis to NotSo as well (Schpune has it)? Perhaps even port it (and a bandlimited GSF plugin) to Foobar2000? It's the only reason I even use Winamp anymore.
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