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- by Lunar at 3:02 AM EST on January 18, 2009
- "or use VGMtrans and use its output MIDI files as references" - heh forget referencing, all the sequence data is perfect, it'd be a waste of time to re-sequence it all through reference. you can practically just change patches on those and you're good to go (although sometimes you need to transpose stuff and move percussion to the right notes, but yeah...)
this is why i wouldn't ever sequence NDS music btw, it's far too easy to just rip midis. and yeah the funny thing is a lot of DS games are remakes too.
- by Elven Spellmaker at 10:31 AM EST on January 18, 2009
- this is why i wouldn't ever sequence NDS music btw, it's far too easy to just rip midis. and yeah the funny thing is a lot of DS games are remakes too.
Either I'm half asleep or that makes no sense to me...
What, do you mean you wouldn't rip D.S. music, just because VGMTrans can do it for you and better? Or do you mean you would be tempted to rip them out of the game?
- by Lunar at 11:22 AM EST on January 18, 2009
- I said I wouldn't sequence DS music (as in, listen to DS music and transcribe it into MIDI format by ear.) vgmtrans can just rip the sequence data out, so it's done already.
- by TheUltimateKoopa at 4:04 PM EST on January 18, 2009
- I've actually tried that JILost. When listening to single channels however, it's kind of "random", it plays a bit of slap bass, then some drums it's all mixed. Also, you're the same guy who made a MIDI of "Baddies on Parade" from DKC3 on March 2, 2001 aren't you? :D Also, god damn is VGMTrans normally "this" slow?
- by Lunar at 5:21 PM EST on January 18, 2009
- "When listening to single channels however, it's kind of "random""
see Knurek's post:
"channels are allocated dynamically."
sample muting would be more helpful, but again, vgmtrans exists.
- by TheUltimateKoopa at 5:35 PM EST on January 18, 2009
- Well I've got vgmtrans and had a go at it. It's pretty easy to use. Also, if I was to use that to convert a song to MIDI, but then use the MIDI to literally copy all the notes in an actual sequencer, and then submitted it to VGMusic, that'd be acceptable right? That is, rather than a "something2mid" conversion, it's a "something2mid conversion that has been copied manually" thing <_<.
Although "The file you requested, http://www.vgmusic.com/new-files/upload/upload.php, is not accessible by you. This could happen for several reasons:" is what I get, I was just wondering if I would have access, would that be acceptable as a "non MIDI conversion" despite a MIDI conversion was used to help? (Sorry for going off-topic)
- by SH&E at 6:09 PM EST on January 18, 2009
- Hmm... Well a midi coming straight out of VGMTrans would usually sound like a pile of trash.. But I guess if you took the time to copy the notes, correct the errors, transpose a few things to the correct pitch, fix the drums etc. Then maybe it would be acceptable. So basically, you use it more as a reference.
- by Lunar at 6:11 PM EST on January 18, 2009
- vgmusic is even more against vgmtrans rips than it is *2midi conversions, at least right now, but probably permanently. don't submit them (or anything like them) there.
like i said earlier, there's literally no point using vgmtrans rips as 'guides' while transcribing, because the sequence data is practically perfect already - you'd be wasting your time. better off just using the vgmtrans rips directly if you must. naturally it'd be a dumb idea to try and take credit for the original composers' sequence data though, so uh yeah don't, simply put.
tldr: fine for personal use, just don't post them around anywhere claiming credit -- not cool.
- by TheUltimateKoopa at 6:43 PM EST on January 18, 2009
- So I wouldn't be able to do a vgmtrans rip, then do what Andrew said, i.e. transposing, correct pitch, fixing drums etc, and then saving that as a completely manually made MIDI and call it my own?
But doing that's just what every one else does, except instead of copying the notes from the actual file, you're copying the notes from another MIDI, isn't it?
- by Elven Spellmaker at 7:21 PM EST on January 18, 2009
- Lunar, how about not claiming credit for them?
Below is a MIDI I used VGMTrans to rip. I opened up my MIDI editor and corrected all the patches and listened to the original file. It sounds quite good in GM actually.
http://tinyurl.com/Operate-MIDI
Its better than any person could do, and so they should be allowed (my personal opinion), if the person who has extracted them has taken the time to alter them and credit the original makers of the music.
I understand that the work isn't theirs, but if they are not claiming that, then why is it still not accepted?
Ultimte Koopa is right, people either do it from another MIDI or listening to the soundtrack, which results in shoddy attempts (which amazingly get accepted), pitches wrong, wrong tempo, totally out on instruments etc....
Not saying that its clever etc., just that its a "perfect" MIDI rendition. I am planning on doing the whole Under the Knife as GM MIDI soon, but obviously I dare not try to submit it to VGMusic for a number of reasons, although personally I think that they would go well on there as it is lacking most of the UtK MIDIs. ;-)
Can VGMTrans convert N64 roms to MIDI then?
edited 7:25 PM EST January 18, 2009
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