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- by Mouser X at 3:56 PM EDT on August 13, 2005
- Actually, what he's saying is that he helped tag the Mario Party set, as timing usually falls under that piece of information. Also, timing can be quite difficult (as I'm sure you're aware), even if it's already been done. If all he did was "PdZ's track times X 2" then that probably doesn't deserve a mention in the USF file, though a mention in the info file would be expected. However, if that's what he did (which I HIGHLY doubt) then I'd have to say those times are still... questionable. Sure, they loop twice, or close to it, but just doubling the track times won't provide the accuracy that is expected of the songs. You would actually need to listen to the file itself, and still manually set the time to be correct. Sure, you could base the times on "PdZ's track times X 2," but they would be slightly different.
Also, ALL precedents (that I'm aware of), validate UNKOWNFILE's inclusion in the tagger field because he helped tag the set. Look at the PSFs out there. There's one set that has like, 4 or 5 (perhaps more) taggers on it. Some of those taggers only tagged 1 file. Yes, only 1, but they were put in the tagging field (well, comments, since there is no "tagger" for PSFs) because they helped complete the set. Also, i've timed quite a few sets myself, but have been unable to tag them. My name is still given as one of the taggers, because I helped tag the set, as track times are considered part of the tags.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is, what you getting so upset about? It's not like he's stealing anything from you. It's a small thing. If it really bugs you, you could always change the "tagger" field to "PdZ, times by UNKNOWNFILE."
Also, he deleted all of the "same" unused files because, if they're all the same, what's the point in haveing duplicates? In almost all instances (I'm pretty sure there's a few, small inconsistancies), duplicates have been removed before the set was "officially" released. If the files he removed weren't duplicates, please explain how they were different. Otherwise, please explain why they should be kept.
In all honesty, it's a good thing you're not part of the PSF_Rippers group. Based on the (assumed, based on precidence,) sentiment of the people in that group, I'd say you probably would have been torn down by now. You're getting upset over VERY SMALL things that, really, are misplaced and misunderstood. On top of that, you're not following the conventional means of tagging files (namely timing, yes, but cutting off UNKNOWNFILE also fits in there. I'm sure I could find other things if I really wanted to be nit-picky, but it's not worth doing so). What I'm trying to say is, it is VERY VERY lenient about what happens over here. If you like the freedom that provides you (and I assure you, it does, in a way), then I would recommend that you show the same courtesy you recieve to others as well. BE NICE! Don't assume the worst case scenario EVERYTIME something happens. Give people the benefit of doubt. Just because someone says something in a certain way doesn't mean they intend it as a personal attack against you. As I said, based on precedence, in EVERY case (expcept those where the taggers/timers refused inclusion), UNKNOWNFILE was waranted in including himself in the "tagger" field, unless he did indeed simply go "PdZ's track times X 2." Even then, his inclusion is debatable, but I would almost certainly argue against including him in that instance.
Last, in NO WAY do I mean any offence to anyone with what I have written. If you don't like what you read, don't start a hate thread about it, and don't post about what a jerk I am. Instead, do something constructive, and contact me so that we can talk it over. That way, I'll know what it is I did wrong, so that I can correct the situation. To contact me, you can use AIM (mouser0x) or Yahoo IM (mouser_x) or ICQ (prefered method, # available upon request). You can even email me, but I won't include that information here, unless it is specifically requested.
Thanks in advance for reading this, and hopefully, it will help people gain a better understanding/respect for each other. Mouser X over and out.
- by hcs at 4:22 PM EDT on August 13, 2005
- Thank you PdZ for your work in tagging the set.
Thank you UNKNOWNFILE for some minor corrections and redoing the timing.
Thank you Mouser X for writing a treatise on the subject.
- Rant alert!!!!!!!!1 by unknownfile at 6:19 PM EDT on August 13, 2005
- PdZ sez:
I now, why I dont like u UKNOWNFILE.Very nice, that u fixed the timing but u DONT tagged the set.Check the info file.
Yeah! Yeah. OK. Feh. Hold on a second. *cough spit vomit*
The following rant has been brought to you by fevers - pissing mankind off since the creation of the universe; by Kodak; and by Nestea Ice Tea - keeping the xSF scene alive between rips.
OK, so WHAT. The comments field was already housing "Uncheck Use Recompiler" or whatever.
And are you saying that I took credit for the tags? YES! That's what I'm thinking! But NOO I DIDN'T.
Here's what the original tagger tag read:
PdZ
It should read:
PdZ, Gashlin's Groupie, marioman
YES! I CAN'T BELIEVE ITS NOT YOGURT! PDZ IS GETTING MAD AT ME! I ONLY DID THE TIMES! FEH! *spit* The question here is, however: "Why is PdZ mad at me for taking credit for his set when he, in fact, didn't do all of the tags himself?! Now THAT, friends, is the question!
This rant has been posted to relieve anger that cannot be let out otherwise. Please excuse me for this idiot-like behaviour.
- by Will at 3:31 AM EDT on August 14, 2005
- You know, a bit of sleep oughtta clear that fever right up.
- by PdZ at 4:18 AM EDT on August 14, 2005
- Unknownfile...
It was not fair and u know that.I said it a long time before.It is very hard to tag sets.Its of course harder to Rip a Set but the ONLY THING that I want is, my name in the tagger field.Is that a problem?NO!And now if u want to tagg a set, then tagg it but dont "steal" the tagger tag.OK?
"It should read:
PdZ, Gashlin's Groupie, marioman"
NO they dont tagg the set, but they help.I think u are right in one case.Marioman was a big help and could be mentioned in the info file or comments.If he want that, i could fix that and write this in the file.
And once more: I have also a lot of work to set the tagging and YOU are every time the only one who peeving me.Why couldn't you be so respectfull and nice like marioman and the others?
- by unknownfile at 5:28 AM EDT on August 14, 2005
- Moving along, nothing to see here.
- by Mouser X at 10:33 AM EDT on August 14, 2005
- Personaly, I agree with UNKNOWNFILE. The "tagger" tag should read, at the least, "PdZ, marioman." They did help, they deserve credit. Also, credit in the info file is, in my opinion, not enough. I realize you tagged the set. However, you didn't do it by yourself. There are those who did help, and deserve a mention in the tagger field. As I said, precedent agrees with this statement.
You'll notice that I left UNKOWNFILE out of the "tagger" thing, because he already did so himself. If he leaves himself out (see his 10:19 Aug 13 post), then that says to me "Well, okay, go ahead and remove my name, it's not a big deal (or "Okay, sure, take the credit, you did, after all, provide the times which I based my times on")."
Basically, what I'm saying is that you're taking full credit, when there are others that also deserve credit, even if their name is only included in the file which they helped tag. If you feel that putting their name in the tagger field provides to much credit to them, clarify it in the info file. That way, both parties can be satisfied.
Yes, I say this a lot. I don't mean harm to anyone in my statements. The reason I say that a lot is because I realize that my statements can be taken in the wrong way. However, I, currently, can't think of a better way of saying it. You say UNKNOWNFILE is the one that annoys you the most (or something like that). Well, try looking at things from his point of view. He has a fever/cold/illness, ect. Also, he, being a (former, or such) member of PSF_Rippers (which, really, this is a part of, like it or not), knows what is expected of ripped/released sets. Also, he has ripped, and timed/tagged some sets himself (of various formats). He knows how hard it is to time/tag/rip sets. He sees your work, and I'm sure he appreciates it. However, he knows what is expected of those tags, and that is full times (not just 1 loop, but 2). Now, you may not agree with him on that point. Nonetheless, looking at it from UNKNOWNFILE's viewpoint, which is the purpose of this writing, you have to admit that the tracks should have been looped twice. Also, though I realize that English is not your native language (as I recall), UNKNOWNFILE has to interpret what it is you've written. Looking at it from where he is sitting, this could be quite annoying for him. I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOUR TYPING SUCKS, as I realize you are learning. I can accept that, and have not commented on it before for that reason. It is forgiveable. Nonetheless, this cuold, perhaps, influence, (though not necessarily on a concious level) UNKNOWNFILE's reaction to you. Again, I AM NOT writing in behalf of UNKNOWNFILE, I am simply writing things that MIGHT be going on in his head. Since I AM NOT HIM, everything I've written could be COMPLETELY WRONG. All I'm trying to say is, put on UNKNOWNFILE's shoes. Look at where he's coming from. Think about what points he brings up, and why he might bring them up, and what he might mean by doing so. If you seek for understanding of those who annoy you, eventually you realize something. Either, A), you can see what's going on better, so it now makes sense, or B) [and surprisingly less likely] you stick to your original idea that they're an idiot.
Anyway, assume that UNKNOWNFILE is trying to help. He may not be good at it, but it's the thought that counts. Does that help? Mouser X over and out.
- m00 by unknownfile at 11:37 AM EDT on August 14, 2005
- Yea, I guess that helps.
This cold is still here, and I hope it gets better by Friday, because that is when I need to go to Scotland, and if it isn't better by than, heads will roll. GARMF!!!!!!!1
Anyways, I have done no work on KIG whatsoever, so I should start timing it. Have a nice day. Oh yes, and fish.
- blimey! by Prokopis at 5:28 AM EDT on August 15, 2005
- Why, yesh, let's all spar about whose name should be eternally tied with the immortal glory in which mankind should regard the tagging and timing of the Mario Party USF rip...
Perspective setting in yet? Cause if not, I could always quote some dude who said "FFS kids". Wait, I don't remember who that is!! Proper credit cannot be assigned!!! OyG!
- m00 again by unknownfile at 9:58 AM EDT on August 15, 2005
- YES I STILL HAVE THIS COLD. IT SUX.
Anyways, the tagger tag should be something like this
tagger=PdZ, marioman, Gashlin's Groupie, UNKNOWNFILE
That should make everyone who helped on the set happy.
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