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by hcs at 7:04 PM EDT on March 19, 2017
I was mostly agreeing with you. Any butthurt is due to an uncomfortable chair.
by AnonRunzes at 7:45 PM EDT on March 19, 2017
"Part of the deal with MTA2 is that it is like MPEG in that it has more than just audio in the file (subtitles, lip sync, video), and there can be multiple audio streams, so you usually want to demux it to get just the audio for our purposes."
To be honest, I've never imagined MGS4 could use a format that did more than just audio(especially since "MTA2" is actually a newer version of the MTA format that originated on MGS3 as "MTAF" - the only changes from the former to the latter was an entirely "new" codec alongside more capabilities as the ones you've stated).

Perhaps that`s why your tool could only extract audio from MGS4 archvies alone, compared to by Nisto which could extract nearly every filetype imaginable based on .sdt-like headers(so long as a single file is accepted), but I doubt I`ll modify the script for MGS4 anyway considering I`ve been stuffing my HDD with a few EA and Ubisoft games for research purposes.

"I was mostly agreeing with you. Any butthurt is due to an uncomfortable chair."
Well, I stopped reading after the first paragraph for the first time for fear that I would provoke that reaction. Really.

Well, speaking of .wem files... they do have loop notes, though. There is a "smpl" chunk in a .wem header, so why can`t ima_rejigger5 support that too?

edited 8:14 PM EDT March 19, 2017
by hcs at 8:23 PM EDT on March 20, 2017
re smpl chunk support in ima_rejigger5, there's no reason it couldn't support it, the reason it doesn't is that it'd be extra work that hasn't been done yet. The whole ima_rejigger series was based on a false assumption about how WWise IMA works, so I really didn't put a whole lot of effort into it once it got working.

In other news, just had my ass saved by install steps 11-16 of here; I tried to install Ubuntu on a Mac where I was already dual-booting Windows 10, after that Windows wouldn't boot. Turns out I had to kill the hybrid MBR which apparently the Ubuntu installer had added, all 3 OSes work fine now. Whew!
by SmartOne at 9:13 PM EDT on March 20, 2017
Let me guess: the performance of your video hardware in Linux is awful.

I thought it was fun being the only person who didn't jump on each of Apple's latest incremental OS X upgrades (which provided no significant new features) in an Apple workplace, and then pointing out the crashes of oh-so-friendly Apple software as the no-longer bleeding edge OS version became stale.

Safari with its uber-smooth scrolling, I'll admit, is the best way to browse the Internet, though. Too bad Microsoft doesn't take a hint.
by bnnm at 2:39 PM EDT on March 21, 2017
@hcs - a question/comment about WWise MS IMA.
You mentioned before vgmstream's MS IMA decoding may miss some samples, so out of curiosity I tracked down Microsoft's C implementation.

What they do is write the block header sample, but discard the block's last decoded sample (while vgmstream ignores the header sample and keeps the last sample).
The last block sample and the next header's sample may be the same, or vary slightly. This means vgmstream misses the very first header sample (so in essence the file is +1 off) and some samples are (unnoticeably) off.
Could be fixed but not exactly a super important.

Is Wwise using this feature somehow? From the ima_rejigger readme it kind of sounds like this but I'd appreciate some pointers before I delve into the code.
by hcs at 5:51 PM EDT on March 21, 2017
Could you point to the MS implementation? I had thought that it kept both the header sample and the final decoded sample, thus the samples per block is odd (iirc samples per block is given in the extra fmt bytes). See case AV_CODEC_ID_ADPCM_IMA_WAV in libavcodec.

Wwise doesn't use the final decoded sample, the final nibble is always 0. Maybe that's the same as what MS's official implementation does, but I doubt it. When I tried to "rejigger" wwise (it's also interleaved differently) and set codec 0x11, every decoder I tried (sox and ffmpeg) had artifacts.

edited 6:01 PM EDT March 21, 2017

Though it would make sense if this was different in some Xbox-specific stuff, the above is about RIFF WAVE. Maybe it would make sense for vgmstream to use the header sample and skip the last sample. Especially if it turns out to be always 0 as in wwise, though I'd expect some noticeable artifacts from that that I'd hope we'd have noticed.

edited 6:10 PM EDT March 21, 2017
by bnnm at 6:15 PM EDT on March 21, 2017
Here it is.
It's og Xbox's (cough XDK cough), but the docs say it's a wrapper around Windows MS IMA with a fixed block size.

I see the decoder parses "cSamplesPerBlock - 1" but in all honestly I didn't build it myself to test it.
However ToWav, which I think just uses MS's libs, also agrees with this and writes the very first sample.

It's not unthinkable every decoder out there is incorrect, I guess, since the difference is very small.

Incidentally I don't think any PS ADPCM decoder is HW accurate either (I've seen several slightly different implementations), but I don't know enough to evaluate and fix it myself :/
by hcs at 6:35 PM EDT on March 21, 2017
Samples per block should be independent of block size, but I know at least sox and ffmpeg ignore it (ffmpeg actually requires it to be sample nibbles +1). This is wrong, as the Xbox fixed size of 64 would otherwise be impossible to specify. It does actually look like this SDK encoder does put a 0 for the last nibble, so we may have always had problems with Xbox IMA if they used a similar encoder.

It would be informative to try out some sample data with and without the fix you've proposed, or add a check for the last nibble == 0 to see if this holds up.

edited 6:39 PM EDT March 21, 2017
by SmartOne at 1:00 AM EDT on March 24, 2017
Wii U: Bayonetta

Remember, the people at Digital Foundry are paid to point out technical aspects and issues in today's increasingly buggy ("unpolished" if you're feeling generous) games. Please, spare me the "wah graphics is hard defend defend stand up for your imaginary friend."

From a couple hours of casual play, here's a huge issue which they completely missed: In gameplay and cutscenes, the top third to sixth of the screen has an OBNOXIOUS, CONSTANT, BLUE BLOOM LIGHTING BAND. IT'S MORE OBNOXIOUS THAN THESE CAPITAL LETTERS THROUGH WHICH I CHOSE TO EXPRESS OUTRAGE, BUT HOPEFULLY YOU CAN ASSOCIATE THE SEVERITY. !!IT FOLLOWS YOU AS YOU TURN THE CAMERA!!

Figure 1: In this particular screenshot, the blue band isn't as noticeable, but look along the horizontal line near the bottom edge of the combo display.

See? I told you.

Figure 2: These guys got close to unearthing the (it really isn't subtle as long as your eyes are open) bug. Scroll down to the over-saturated images to really see it. Not present on Xbox 360.

If only I had a better screenshot of darker buildings/in a tunnel/in streets of the city. It's bad.

It ruins an otherwise beautiful (graphically) game.

Smaller bug: Some fullscreen graphical effects don't actually extend to the edges of the screen, so a pixel edge displays brightly against rest of screen. And this artifact is asymmetrical (two out of the four edges). Do people pay attention anymore when they develop games? Or are they the "artsy" types who can't be bothered with the details?

Subjective, review-type comments:
Still in the second chapter of the game, not impressed. Gameplay is frustrating. Free camera system is awful/gets stuck in corners. Audio balance is off: voice overs too low. Game feels quirky for quirk's sake/attention whoring. They say "Fuck."

Devil May Cry: great. Viewtiful Joes: awesome. Bayonetta: my sources say the popularity comes from uniqueness/lol Japanese behavior, not quality, difficulty comes from bad design. technical mess. jury is still out.

Oh, and if I die at a boss, let me restart right at the boss. Don't add loading between the continue point and said boss. K? Every game will be good from now on. Go!
by kode54 at 1:30 AM EDT on March 24, 2017
I don't know what you're pointing out there. It looks like you're screaming over nothing.

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